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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/11-26-2007/q-nundrum#comment-2214</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, if he's even old enough to vote, is definitely a George Bush kind of guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, if he&#8217;s even old enough to vote, is definitely a George Bush kind of guy.</p>
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		<title>By: jibblescribbits</title>
		<link>http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/11-26-2007/q-nundrum#comment-2161</link>
		<dc:creator>jibblescribbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Anyone who knows me knows that I am who I am and to ask me to change is a waste of breath. I don’t need to switch to decaf, I am perfectly calm whenever I converse online. I just have an extremely low tolerance for stupidity. When you’re right, I am going to praise you. When you’re wrong, I am going to point it out. When you’re wrong and you’re arrogant about it like our pom-pon waving friend, I am not going to be nice when I destroy your argument.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I missed any point where you countered my arguments and destroyed me. Please point that out because All i see is a lot of name-calling and stating of opinion as irrefutable fact.  You haven't made any good points, not one. Your argument has been "You're wrong, oh and you're a doodie-head." I've listed good coaching decisions, poor coaching decisions, and reasonable arguments and you haven't even addressed them. I've stacked up Calgary and Colorado's '06-'07 rosters together and pointed out how much more talented Calgary's was. (BTW you are absolutely delusional if you think that the Avs had enough talent to contend for a cup last season. )

Here's what you've done. You've stated an opinion, and then insulted anyone who disagrees with you. You have done it so vehemently that you apparently buy into the theory that whoever states their opinion with the most bluster and volume is right. You've stated very arguable points and called them facts without even trying to back them up. When people say "Umm that's not a fact" you insult them.

I guess what I'm saying is you're the Bill O'Reilly of Avs fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Anyone who knows me knows that I am who I am and to ask me to change is a waste of breath. I don’t need to switch to decaf, I am perfectly calm whenever I converse online. I just have an extremely low tolerance for stupidity. When you’re right, I am going to praise you. When you’re wrong, I am going to point it out. When you’re wrong and you’re arrogant about it like our pom-pon waving friend, I am not going to be nice when I destroy your argument.</p></blockquote>
<p>I missed any point where you countered my arguments and destroyed me. Please point that out because All i see is a lot of name-calling and stating of opinion as irrefutable fact.  You haven&#8217;t made any good points, not one. Your argument has been &#8220;You&#8217;re wrong, oh and you&#8217;re a doodie-head.&#8221; I&#8217;ve listed good coaching decisions, poor coaching decisions, and reasonable arguments and you haven&#8217;t even addressed them. I&#8217;ve stacked up Calgary and Colorado&#8217;s &#8216;06-&#8217;07 rosters together and pointed out how much more talented Calgary&#8217;s was. (BTW you are absolutely delusional if you think that the Avs had enough talent to contend for a cup last season. )</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what you&#8217;ve done. You&#8217;ve stated an opinion, and then insulted anyone who disagrees with you. You have done it so vehemently that you apparently buy into the theory that whoever states their opinion with the most bluster and volume is right. You&#8217;ve stated very arguable points and called them facts without even trying to back them up. When people say &#8220;Umm that&#8217;s not a fact&#8221; you insult them.</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m saying is you&#8217;re the Bill O&#8217;Reilly of Avs fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Dario</title>
		<link>http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/11-26-2007/q-nundrum#comment-2160</link>
		<dc:creator>Dario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas,

I've been on the Avalanche web scene since the very beginning and I have a relatively good guess as to who you are.  It's true, you don't back down.  It's true, when you believe someone is wrong you say so.  It's also true that you take it to the point of getting yourself banned on all these popular sites.  I think it's a shame because you often have original opinions that are often contrary to the general popular opinion.  I think you can be just as contentious as always but you have to learn to do so without resorting to calling people complete idiots because they don't share your hockey take.  There's a big difference between calling a person an idiot and calling their opinion idiotic and saying why.

Am I wasting my time?  Probably, but I've seen you come and go all over these various web sites and in the end you seem to always explode over an issue that you take too far.  But whatever man, you're an adult and you can make your own choices.

One thing you simply cannot argue with however, Joe Q has the second best mustache in the NHL behind George Parros.  See?  Try as you might, you cannot argue with me on that one.  It simply cannot be done without reverting to a Taming the Shrew level of calling the Sun the Moon. CAN NOT BE DONE.  I dare you to even try it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been on the Avalanche web scene since the very beginning and I have a relatively good guess as to who you are.  It&#8217;s true, you don&#8217;t back down.  It&#8217;s true, when you believe someone is wrong you say so.  It&#8217;s also true that you take it to the point of getting yourself banned on all these popular sites.  I think it&#8217;s a shame because you often have original opinions that are often contrary to the general popular opinion.  I think you can be just as contentious as always but you have to learn to do so without resorting to calling people complete idiots because they don&#8217;t share your hockey take.  There&#8217;s a big difference between calling a person an idiot and calling their opinion idiotic and saying why.</p>
<p>Am I wasting my time?  Probably, but I&#8217;ve seen you come and go all over these various web sites and in the end you seem to always explode over an issue that you take too far.  But whatever man, you&#8217;re an adult and you can make your own choices.</p>
<p>One thing you simply cannot argue with however, Joe Q has the second best mustache in the NHL behind George Parros.  See?  Try as you might, you cannot argue with me on that one.  It simply cannot be done without reverting to a Taming the Shrew level of calling the Sun the Moon. CAN NOT BE DONE.  I dare you to even try it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;/i&gt;And I'm nothing if not a poor user of the &lt;i&gt; tag.  Damn.</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/11-26-2007/q-nundrum#comment-2158</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You guys have a little Avs blogger circle-jerk, and you’re going to jump on anyone who isn’t in your circle-jerk. I get that. &lt;i&gt;

You're nothing if not classy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You guys have a little Avs blogger circle-jerk, and you’re going to jump on anyone who isn’t in your circle-jerk. I get that. </i><i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re nothing if not classy.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bonuses are irrelevant. The Avs had a team good enough to contend for the Cup last year, and they didn't. Part of that is the players, part of that is poor leadership (Joe Sakic, I am looking at you), but the biggest part of it was inept coaching.

Anyone who argues that Quenneville did a good job coaching last year is a pom-pon waver. Plain and simple. 

Anyone who argues that the Flames had a better roster than the Avs last year has no ability to evaluate talent whatsoever.

Anyone who knows me knows that I am who I am and to ask me to change is a waste of breath. I don't need to switch to decaf, I am perfectly calm whenever I converse online. I just have an extremely low tolerance for stupidity. When you're right, I am going to praise you. When you're wrong, I am going to point it out. When you're wrong and you're arrogant about it like our pom-pon waving friend, I am not going to be nice when I destroy your argument. 

You guys have a little Avs blogger circle-jerk, and you're going to jump on anyone who isn't in your circle-jerk. I get that. Doesn't make any difference to me, and there are enough of you here who know me well enough to know better than to think it would.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bonuses are irrelevant. The Avs had a team good enough to contend for the Cup last year, and they didn&#8217;t. Part of that is the players, part of that is poor leadership (Joe Sakic, I am looking at you), but the biggest part of it was inept coaching.</p>
<p>Anyone who argues that Quenneville did a good job coaching last year is a pom-pon waver. Plain and simple. </p>
<p>Anyone who argues that the Flames had a better roster than the Avs last year has no ability to evaluate talent whatsoever.</p>
<p>Anyone who knows me knows that I am who I am and to ask me to change is a waste of breath. I don&#8217;t need to switch to decaf, I am perfectly calm whenever I converse online. I just have an extremely low tolerance for stupidity. When you&#8217;re right, I am going to praise you. When you&#8217;re wrong, I am going to point it out. When you&#8217;re wrong and you&#8217;re arrogant about it like our pom-pon waving friend, I am not going to be nice when I destroy your argument. </p>
<p>You guys have a little Avs blogger circle-jerk, and you&#8217;re going to jump on anyone who isn&#8217;t in your circle-jerk. I get that. Doesn&#8217;t make any difference to me, and there are enough of you here who know me well enough to know better than to think it would.</p>
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		<title>By: jibblescribbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>jibblescribbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're right Bob, I forgot about those bonuses.</description>
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		<title>By: Bob in Boulder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob in Boulder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that I don't think jibble included in his dead salary last season were the two bonuses totalling $4.6M owed to Sakic and Blake.  

I agree that the Avs were handcuffed last season and that in the end Q managed to pull them together.  They should be better than they are right now, however.

PL screwed the pooch on several levels before he handed the reigns over the FG (damn French names are so hard to spell).  Picking up Turgeon and Brisebois, both washed up, and both for two years, was awful.  But the worst move?  Trading for Theo (and his contract) instead of acquiring Luongo.  And Vancouver fricken obtained Luongo for a relative song.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that I don&#8217;t think jibble included in his dead salary last season were the two bonuses totalling $4.6M owed to Sakic and Blake.  </p>
<p>I agree that the Avs were handcuffed last season and that in the end Q managed to pull them together.  They should be better than they are right now, however.</p>
<p>PL screwed the pooch on several levels before he handed the reigns over the FG (damn French names are so hard to spell).  Picking up Turgeon and Brisebois, both washed up, and both for two years, was awful.  But the worst move?  Trading for Theo (and his contract) instead of acquiring Luongo.  And Vancouver fricken obtained Luongo for a relative song.</p>
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		<title>By: jibblescribbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>jibblescribbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Holey Crap!! WHAT HAVE I DONE????? I’VE CREATED A MONSTER!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wait, are you saying Joe Sakic isn't Dreamy?

I think one thing to remember, no matter how well or poorly a team is coached, is that A team will never play up to it's potential all the time. It's what makes sports fun and frustrating all at the same time. There's an average level of play every team will have. Some nights they'll play better, some nights they'll play worse. There's a reason good winning %'s are around 60%.

This means hot streaks and cold streaks are common. A coach is responsible for trying to get that mean playing level up, not for winning every game. If the average playing level improves, the winning will follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Holey Crap!! WHAT HAVE I DONE????? I’VE CREATED A MONSTER!</p></blockquote>
<p>Wait, are you saying Joe Sakic isn&#8217;t Dreamy?</p>
<p>I think one thing to remember, no matter how well or poorly a team is coached, is that A team will never play up to it&#8217;s potential all the time. It&#8217;s what makes sports fun and frustrating all at the same time. There&#8217;s an average level of play every team will have. Some nights they&#8217;ll play better, some nights they&#8217;ll play worse. There&#8217;s a reason good winning %&#8217;s are around 60%.</p>
<p>This means hot streaks and cold streaks are common. A coach is responsible for trying to get that mean playing level up, not for winning every game. If the average playing level improves, the winning will follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Dario</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of all the people to attack as pom pom waivers, it shouldn't be individuals within this fraternity of bloggers.

The debate with Jibble is fantastic, even if I think you're wrong.   You got to keep out the personal stuff though.  If you're the same KL or  that's been around for a while, then you should know better. 

I think there's some place to argue that last years team overachieved, yet when you look at what they did towards the end of the year you have to believe that they might just have underachieved all season.  I think that's a good debate.

However, last year is last year.  This year Wyatt Smith is still getting minutes when other, more effective players aren't.  The goalie rotation is without a doubt, the worst thing I've seen this team do, ever.  I think you could fire Q if you had someone better lined up.  However, the Avs still are on top of their division and they still can break this bad streak and get going as Jibble has pointed out.  I do think Q has to earn his job in December, much more of this and he will be in big trouble making up points on NW teams when we don't play them for a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of all the people to attack as pom pom waivers, it shouldn&#8217;t be individuals within this fraternity of bloggers.</p>
<p>The debate with Jibble is fantastic, even if I think you&#8217;re wrong.   You got to keep out the personal stuff though.  If you&#8217;re the same KL or  that&#8217;s been around for a while, then you should know better. </p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s some place to argue that last years team overachieved, yet when you look at what they did towards the end of the year you have to believe that they might just have underachieved all season.  I think that&#8217;s a good debate.</p>
<p>However, last year is last year.  This year Wyatt Smith is still getting minutes when other, more effective players aren&#8217;t.  The goalie rotation is without a doubt, the worst thing I&#8217;ve seen this team do, ever.  I think you could fire Q if you had someone better lined up.  However, the Avs still are on top of their division and they still can break this bad streak and get going as Jibble has pointed out.  I do think Q has to earn his job in December, much more of this and he will be in big trouble making up points on NW teams when we don&#8217;t play them for a stretch.</p>
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