Comments on: Great Scott? http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott Your NHL 3rd jersey source (with some Colorado Avalanche stuff mixed in) Fri, 05 Dec 2008 10:03:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Bob in Boulder http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3086 Bob in Boulder Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:59:51 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3086 Re: Is Arnason worth 3 times Hlinka? 3 X 0 = 0, so I guess so. Re: Is Arnason worth 3 times Hlinka? 3 X 0 = 0, so I guess so.

]]> By: thedoctor http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3078 thedoctor Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:15:20 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3078 Dan, I don't think anyone is saying there weren't better signings than Hannan last offseason, or that there weren't awesome signings we wish the Avs had done over Hannan. Still, both of those situations were kind of long-shots hitting by those organizations -- Rachunek was a disgruntled player for the NYR that never really performed to par, as far as I know. didn't he hold out and play in Europe for an extra season after the lockout to spite them? The Devils took a chance signing him for a single year, and it's panned out. but since he's only signed for a season, they're going to have to give him a massive raise this offseason. watch, he'll get paid as much or more than Hannan this offseason. comparing just this year, yes, he's a much better UFA value signing, but over the next few years their salaries will be much more comparable. Mottau, he was stuck in the AHL until recently, another fluky thing. Finger would be a better comparison to him, and both players are in line for massive raises anyways. I guess my point is that there's always going to be these late bloomers on cheap contracts or high risk short term signings that hit and make safer signings look bad. Heck, it happens just with the Avs current roster -- who here thinks Arnason is worth 3 times as much as Hlinka? I like DD's comparison to other established, low-risk vets that were UFAs last offseason in Hamrlik and Stuart. Dan, I don’t think anyone is saying there weren’t better signings than Hannan last offseason, or that there weren’t awesome signings we wish the Avs had done over Hannan.

Still, both of those situations were kind of long-shots hitting by those organizations — Rachunek was a disgruntled player for the NYR that never really performed to par, as far as I know. didn’t he hold out and play in Europe for an extra season after the lockout to spite them? The Devils took a chance signing him for a single year, and it’s panned out. but since he’s only signed for a season, they’re going to have to give him a massive raise this offseason. watch, he’ll get paid as much or more than Hannan this offseason. comparing just this year, yes, he’s a much better UFA value signing, but over the next few years their salaries will be much more comparable.

Mottau, he was stuck in the AHL until recently, another fluky thing. Finger would be a better comparison to him, and both players are in line for massive raises anyways.

I guess my point is that there’s always going to be these late bloomers on cheap contracts or high risk short term signings that hit and make safer signings look bad. Heck, it happens just with the Avs current roster — who here thinks Arnason is worth 3 times as much as Hlinka?

I like DD’s comparison to other established, low-risk vets that were UFAs last offseason in Hamrlik and Stuart.

]]> By: Selanne http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3077 Selanne Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:04:19 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3077 I personally really like the Hannan-Leopold top D-pairing. I personally really like the Hannan-Leopold top D-pairing.

]]> By: Dan Winkler http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3076 Dan Winkler Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:57:27 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3076 Interesting analysis, but you're publishing the wrong end of the salary scale. Try the $2 million on down scale, and look at defensemen who have played better than Hannan has. For example, I'll throw out Karel Rachunek. Plus 5, 4 fewer points, slightly less ice time and less games played. Oh, and only $1.4 million/year. Is Hannan worth 3x more than Rachunek? How about Mike Mottau? Minus 5 but has played alot of games for one of the best teams in the East and averaged 15 minutes or so per game. Makes less than half a million. Is Hannan worth 9x more than Mottau? (The fact that these are Devils players makes me want to throw up in my mouth, but you have to say that Lamoriello has done it again, competing for the top spot in the East with a no-name defense.) I'm stunned anyone can possibly think Hannan's good value for the money, or that he's had the desired affect on the team. He's been comprehensively outplayed by Jeff Finger. Jeff Finger. Jeff. Finger. One of our worst free agent signings ever, a huge waste at that salary. Maybe, looking at the list of the highest paid defensemen, the lesson is that once you get past the top 5 then it's hardly worth paying big bucks to anyone after that, unless you've got a young stud (Phaneuf, Campbell) who you need to pay to keep. Interesting analysis, but you’re publishing the wrong end of the salary scale. Try the $2 million on down scale, and look at defensemen who have played better than Hannan has. For example, I’ll throw out Karel Rachunek. Plus 5, 4 fewer points, slightly less ice time and less games played. Oh, and only $1.4 million/year. Is Hannan worth 3x more than Rachunek? How about Mike Mottau? Minus 5 but has played alot of games for one of the best teams in the East and averaged 15 minutes or so per game. Makes less than half a million. Is Hannan worth 9x more than Mottau? (The fact that these are Devils players makes me want to throw up in my mouth, but you have to say that Lamoriello has done it again, competing for the top spot in the East with a no-name defense.)

I’m stunned anyone can possibly think Hannan’s good value for the money, or that he’s had the desired affect on the team. He’s been comprehensively outplayed by Jeff Finger. Jeff Finger. Jeff. Finger. One of our worst free agent signings ever, a huge waste at that salary.

Maybe, looking at the list of the highest paid defensemen, the lesson is that once you get past the top 5 then it’s hardly worth paying big bucks to anyone after that, unless you’ve got a young stud (Phaneuf, Campbell) who you need to pay to keep.

]]> By: thedoctor http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3075 thedoctor Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:30:45 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3075 oh come on Joe, there was content in there! Thomas claiming he was better than FG as a GM, threatening to bite lowyane <i>hard</i>...I even had a public realization that I was making the whole thing worse! ;) oh come on Joe, there was content in there! Thomas claiming he was better than FG as a GM, threatening to bite lowyane hard…I even had a public realization that I was making the whole thing worse! ;)

]]> By: Dario http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3074 Dario Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:54:23 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3074 I like Hannan. I think the comparison to Foote has always been an unfair one. I think Foote is the most underrated Avalanche player of all time. Hannan plays his position and communicates with the goalie and his linemate. I think Leo and Hannan will get stronger as time goes on and Leoprone is healthy. I also like Finger, Sauer and Clark. I think the Avs defense is a lot better than last year with Brisebois, Klee and when Skrastins played on the top pairing. Hannan had high expectations and his supposed nasty/physical reputation was built on the clutch and grab fest against Forsberg in the playoffs. He's still a good, solid D man. Just not our Foote/Lidstrom/Zubov/Stevens/Bourque guy. Those are just impossible to find anyway. I like Hannan. I think the comparison to Foote has always been an unfair one. I think Foote is the most underrated Avalanche player of all time. Hannan plays his position and communicates with the goalie and his linemate. I think Leo and Hannan will get stronger as time goes on and Leoprone is healthy. I also like Finger, Sauer and Clark. I think the Avs defense is a lot better than last year with Brisebois, Klee and when Skrastins played on the top pairing. Hannan had high expectations and his supposed nasty/physical reputation was built on the clutch and grab fest against Forsberg in the playoffs. He’s still a good, solid D man. Just not our Foote/Lidstrom/Zubov/Stevens/Bourque guy. Those are just impossible to find anyway.

]]> By: Joe http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3073 Joe Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:21:11 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3073 Mr. Net Nanny is now my official title. Very nice. And the comment thread hasn't been deleted, just hidden. All those inane, baiting comments in which everyone establishes exactly how far they can piss are still there. But really, nobody's missing anything. Mr. Net Nanny is now my official title. Very nice.

And the comment thread hasn’t been deleted, just hidden. All those inane, baiting comments in which everyone establishes exactly how far they can piss are still there.

But really, nobody’s missing anything.

]]> By: Mike @ MHH http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3072 Mike @ MHH Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:12:53 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3072 Wait, did I miss something? Who in our genial and polite community of die-hard Avalanche fans would have written something so scathing as to disrupt Joe's delicate sensabilities? Man, I couldn't even TYPE that with a straight face... Wait, did I miss something? Who in our genial and polite community of die-hard Avalanche fans would have written something so scathing as to disrupt Joe’s delicate sensabilities?

Man, I couldn’t even TYPE that with a straight face…

]]> By: Bob in Boulder http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3071 Bob in Boulder Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:51:10 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3071 Me too. I think I got out before it became more interesting. And now Mr. Net Nanny over there won't let anyone see what happened. ;) Me too. I think I got out before it became more interesting. And now Mr. Net Nanny over there won’t let anyone see what happened. ;)

]]> By: David Driscoll-Carignan http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3070 David Driscoll-Carignan Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:32:36 +0000 http://inthecheapseats.com/avs-notebook/02-20-2008/great-scott#comment-3070 "I’ll consider your disagreement with me to be evidence that you know nothing about hockey whatsoever. You moron." I really must have missed a fun time yesterday! “I’ll consider your disagreement with me to be evidence that you know nothing about hockey whatsoever. You moron.”

I really must have missed a fun time yesterday!

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